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		<title>Comment on Ask a Question of An Author of Grossly Limited Knowledge and Expertise! by Lorraine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apparently not.  

the saddest thing about it is, i came here- as i&#039;m sure many of you did- out of the sheer love of haven&#039;s writing.  but i didn&#039;t come here to watch people get into cat fights.  what a waste.</description>
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<p>the saddest thing about it is, i came here- as i&#8217;m sure many of you did- out of the sheer love of haven&#8217;s writing.  but i didn&#8217;t come here to watch people get into cat fights.  what a waste.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ask a Question of An Author of Grossly Limited Knowledge and Expertise! by Kate</title>
		<link>http://havenkimmel.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/ask-a-question-of-an-author-of-grossly-limited-knowledge-and-expertise/#comment-23070</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. I thought the comments were suspended.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Ask a Question of An Author of Grossly Limited Knowledge and Expertise! by lorraine</title>
		<link>http://havenkimmel.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/ask-a-question-of-an-author-of-grossly-limited-knowledge-and-expertise/#comment-23069</link>
		<dc:creator>lorraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, you people really know how to screw up a good thing!  and i mean ALL of you.  sorry, i know i was not a regular here, but the last few pages of comments were really, really disappointing.  i always got the feeling that you all were a bit too close for comfort, but i assumed i just wasn&#039;t privy to your &quot;closeness&quot; and maybe therefore feeling a bit excluded. but i guess this disintegration is what it took to prove me right.  sayonara.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, you people really know how to screw up a good thing!  and i mean ALL of you.  sorry, i know i was not a regular here, but the last few pages of comments were really, really disappointing.  i always got the feeling that you all were a bit too close for comfort, but i assumed i just wasn&#8217;t privy to your &#8220;closeness&#8221; and maybe therefore feeling a bit excluded. but i guess this disintegration is what it took to prove me right.  sayonara.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ask a Question of An Author of Grossly Limited Knowledge and Expertise! by Matt (in Nebraska)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt (in Nebraska)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello?? 

Quiet.</description>
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<p>Quiet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Object of Writing is to Grow a Personality Which in the End Allows One to Transcend Art   &#8212; Lawrence Durrell by Saint Mo &#171; Loving the Tasmanian Devil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saint Mo &#171; Loving the Tasmanian Devil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 12:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Ask a Question of An Author of Grossly Limited Knowledge and Expertise! by Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so sad to have simultaneously discovered the existence and the extinction of this blog. I see that I was late to the party, which seemed to digress substantially from the original theme of sharing in a remarkable authors&#039; insights into an crazy online family of sorts. Online life is overrated, I think, and sometimes just as tedious as real life. Wasn&#039;t it Oscar Wilde that said people are either charming or tedious? It can be a fine line, I know. I was just hoping for a chance to say hey, I just found you, amazing author person, you&#039;re charming and smart and  your books are the best memoirs I&#039;ve read in ages, I love the way you write and I look forward to whatever else you write. Thanks for making me laugh and making me think, hope life loves you back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sad to have simultaneously discovered the existence and the extinction of this blog. I see that I was late to the party, which seemed to digress substantially from the original theme of sharing in a remarkable authors&#8217; insights into an crazy online family of sorts. Online life is overrated, I think, and sometimes just as tedious as real life. Wasn&#8217;t it Oscar Wilde that said people are either charming or tedious? It can be a fine line, I know. I was just hoping for a chance to say hey, I just found you, amazing author person, you&#8217;re charming and smart and  your books are the best memoirs I&#8217;ve read in ages, I love the way you write and I look forward to whatever else you write. Thanks for making me laugh and making me think, hope life loves you back.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ask a Question of An Author of Grossly Limited Knowledge and Expertise! by fabulosityyarn</title>
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		<dc:creator>fabulosityyarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh how very sad. I just found you today and was so thrilled.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Ask a Question of An Author of Grossly Limited Knowledge and Expertise! by Sher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 21:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this situation is a test to each of us, as to our own purity of heart and intentions, then we are failing (in my opinion) or passing.  But I hope, at least, we are learning.

Each of us is fallible, even if our intentions were pure.  

What I can say is that with this unraveling, true feelings inevitably emerge.  We not only learn about how we &#039;rise to an occasion&#039;, but about our fellow humans.  Humanness is the key.  Nobody is perfect.

But if anyone should be given the utmost level of a &#039;benefit of the doubt&#039;  - that person should be Haven.

We have all certainly gained more joy than sorrow here.  But if it is too much sorrow - each person, including Haven, has their right to choose who they communicate with.  That right has been contaminated.  Perhaps not intentionally.

I had a very similar crisis in March when I witnessed a &#039;blog bashing&#039;.  I cried for 4 days - there was literal nashing of teeth and pulling of hair.  I decided that the joy was more than the sorrow.  That I didn&#039;t want to give up the joy due to temporary sorrow.  And - I decided that you all weren&#039;t gods and goddesses of perfection.  That you were human like me and, therefore, worthy of another chance.

No matter how you, or you, or you, or me, feel about something or someone, it is not right to air such dirty laundry, mouths, and attitudes here.

Guess what, Haven gets a free pass from me.  She has earned it.  I have chosen to love her and give her my loyalty whether she is perfect or not.  The same goes to each of you.  I love your fallibleness and I, therefore, give the benefit of doubt in many areas.

All of this pain is a definate sign of growth.  Change.  All of which is painful.  I am so sad everyone is in pain.

The one thing that keeps me going - daily.  Moment by moment in my life; is this: 

&lt;b&gt;I want to believe that people don&#039;t intend to hurt each other.  But, I&#039;ve been disproven before.&lt;/b&gt;

Report on our test of humanity - 

F-

Love needs to be handled delicately, like a fragile egg.  Not thrown against a brick wall.

On another note:  co-dependency can be a very dangerous thing.  Visiting a blog/communicating - that should be joy for both the giver and the receiver.  when this balance has been tipped in either direction . . . it is co-dependency on someone&#039;s part.

I am so sad that something conceived in such hope has turned into a burden for Haven.  She is not on this earth for our entertainment purposes.  She is not your savior or prophet.  She offered to be a friend. it is my personal opinion that she has been betrayed, whether unintentioanally or through lack of judgment.

If this had happened to me - I would have shut down my whole website and blog.  And, yet - her she sits - dealing with more stress.

Think of her past year:  chronic illness herself, diagnosis of her mother, the death of a dear family member, not to mention being taken advantage of by shady con artists, several &#039;former&#039; friends . . . why on earth should she be here for us?

I&#039;m going to be brutal here:

When I opened her PRIVATE email, I thought &quot;well, I guess some of us are going to have to get a life/lives&quot;.

A few of us actually have lives outside of this blog.  Including the host.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this situation is a test to each of us, as to our own purity of heart and intentions, then we are failing (in my opinion) or passing.  But I hope, at least, we are learning.</p>
<p>Each of us is fallible, even if our intentions were pure.  </p>
<p>What I can say is that with this unraveling, true feelings inevitably emerge.  We not only learn about how we &#8216;rise to an occasion&#8217;, but about our fellow humans.  Humanness is the key.  Nobody is perfect.</p>
<p>But if anyone should be given the utmost level of a &#8216;benefit of the doubt&#8217;  &#8211; that person should be Haven.</p>
<p>We have all certainly gained more joy than sorrow here.  But if it is too much sorrow &#8211; each person, including Haven, has their right to choose who they communicate with.  That right has been contaminated.  Perhaps not intentionally.</p>
<p>I had a very similar crisis in March when I witnessed a &#8216;blog bashing&#8217;.  I cried for 4 days &#8211; there was literal nashing of teeth and pulling of hair.  I decided that the joy was more than the sorrow.  That I didn&#8217;t want to give up the joy due to temporary sorrow.  And &#8211; I decided that you all weren&#8217;t gods and goddesses of perfection.  That you were human like me and, therefore, worthy of another chance.</p>
<p>No matter how you, or you, or you, or me, feel about something or someone, it is not right to air such dirty laundry, mouths, and attitudes here.</p>
<p>Guess what, Haven gets a free pass from me.  She has earned it.  I have chosen to love her and give her my loyalty whether she is perfect or not.  The same goes to each of you.  I love your fallibleness and I, therefore, give the benefit of doubt in many areas.</p>
<p>All of this pain is a definate sign of growth.  Change.  All of which is painful.  I am so sad everyone is in pain.</p>
<p>The one thing that keeps me going &#8211; daily.  Moment by moment in my life; is this: </p>
<p><b>I want to believe that people don&#8217;t intend to hurt each other.  But, I&#8217;ve been disproven before.</b></p>
<p>Report on our test of humanity &#8211; </p>
<p>F-</p>
<p>Love needs to be handled delicately, like a fragile egg.  Not thrown against a brick wall.</p>
<p>On another note:  co-dependency can be a very dangerous thing.  Visiting a blog/communicating &#8211; that should be joy for both the giver and the receiver.  when this balance has been tipped in either direction . . . it is co-dependency on someone&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>I am so sad that something conceived in such hope has turned into a burden for Haven.  She is not on this earth for our entertainment purposes.  She is not your savior or prophet.  She offered to be a friend. it is my personal opinion that she has been betrayed, whether unintentioanally or through lack of judgment.</p>
<p>If this had happened to me &#8211; I would have shut down my whole website and blog.  And, yet &#8211; her she sits &#8211; dealing with more stress.</p>
<p>Think of her past year:  chronic illness herself, diagnosis of her mother, the death of a dear family member, not to mention being taken advantage of by shady con artists, several &#8216;former&#8217; friends . . . why on earth should she be here for us?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to be brutal here:</p>
<p>When I opened her PRIVATE email, I thought &#8220;well, I guess some of us are going to have to get a life/lives&#8221;.</p>
<p>A few of us actually have lives outside of this blog.  Including the host.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ask a Question of An Author of Grossly Limited Knowledge and Expertise! by Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 21:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a virus on my home computer - the one I am using now - that I have been trying and trying to get rid of to no avail. Oh Haven, I hope my computer is not accidentally sending trouble to your spam filter. I probably should not be even posting this now. Of course I have no idea how any of this stuff works but I have to think that Molly&#039;s explanation of mercury in retrograde has something to do with it. 

Haven- your books, your words, this blog, you as person - have meant so much to me this year. I support you and any decision you make about this blog - your blog. You are in my thoughts, dear one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a virus on my home computer &#8211; the one I am using now &#8211; that I have been trying and trying to get rid of to no avail. Oh Haven, I hope my computer is not accidentally sending trouble to your spam filter. I probably should not be even posting this now. Of course I have no idea how any of this stuff works but I have to think that Molly&#8217;s explanation of mercury in retrograde has something to do with it. </p>
<p>Haven- your books, your words, this blog, you as person &#8211; have meant so much to me this year. I support you and any decision you make about this blog &#8211; your blog. You are in my thoughts, dear one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ask a Question of An Author of Grossly Limited Knowledge and Expertise! by Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 20:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man I am married to, who I consider to myself to be &quot;one flesh&quot; with, who I have known for over 10 years, and I have been married to for over 7, and whom I have three children with, was a person I met on the internet. You know, that place that isn&#039;t real. Or is it? Maybe behind every avatar there is a person, a real person with real feelings.

Haven is a beloved author. That makes her...what? It makes her a PERSON. A person with real, human feelings. A person who should be treated with no less respect than you would give anyone else. 

I get that you didn&#039;t want to believe that there was a real issue, and that you thought an enemy was stirring up drama. Did you not consider the idea that perhaps you should go to the source instead of posting unsubstantiated claims on a public blog? 

A BLOG. Not a message board. Not a chat room. A blog. Tell me, did anyone even COMMENT on the actual content of the blog this time? Perhaps the first few, but after that? For some reason, I can only assume because of Haven&#039;s generous, open nature; people took liberties with this space that were never meant to be taken. 

Please, everyone. Examine your motives. Use common sense. This whole situation reeks of middle school, and all of us are well beyond that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man I am married to, who I consider to myself to be &#8220;one flesh&#8221; with, who I have known for over 10 years, and I have been married to for over 7, and whom I have three children with, was a person I met on the internet. You know, that place that isn&#8217;t real. Or is it? Maybe behind every avatar there is a person, a real person with real feelings.</p>
<p>Haven is a beloved author. That makes her&#8230;what? It makes her a PERSON. A person with real, human feelings. A person who should be treated with no less respect than you would give anyone else. </p>
<p>I get that you didn&#8217;t want to believe that there was a real issue, and that you thought an enemy was stirring up drama. Did you not consider the idea that perhaps you should go to the source instead of posting unsubstantiated claims on a public blog? </p>
<p>A BLOG. Not a message board. Not a chat room. A blog. Tell me, did anyone even COMMENT on the actual content of the blog this time? Perhaps the first few, but after that? For some reason, I can only assume because of Haven&#8217;s generous, open nature; people took liberties with this space that were never meant to be taken. </p>
<p>Please, everyone. Examine your motives. Use common sense. This whole situation reeks of middle school, and all of us are well beyond that.</p>
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